CP_Windmill_Canyon

[FeatheredFrog58]

Hello TD,  Just thought I'd show off a CP map that I'm working on.  Stob and Dom have seen the rough draft of it (before it had a sky).  Now I present to you my first draft.  Note that the blue side is more finished then the red.  Eventually both sides will be the same.  Remember this is only the first draft.  There are no spawn rooms only spawn points.

So download it and have a go at it.  Feel free to post any insturctions or ideas on how I could make this map better.

Here's a link to the download.

Edit: map_b2

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d241e8b0c0a90215d2db6fb9a8902bda

The CPs will be like so.

CP1 in the glass building
CP2 near the top of the windmill
CP3 in the unfinished orange building

Possible CP 4 at the bottom of the windmill.


To Dom and Stob.  You will find many changes since your last visit.

A sky,
The glass building on blu side,
Much more narrow canyon,
Caves that open behind the blu tower,

PS: don't fall through space in one of the unfinished caves near the glass catwalk;)  If you do just choose another character and you will respawn.

[StaFForD]

sounds kick ass

i might start mapping for TF2 when I get my laptop repaired. Im currently making stuff for CS

[Mayhem]

When are they gonna make a map based on star wars.

[FeatheredFrog58]

There are plenty of online maps based on star wars.  It's called Battlefront I and II.

[Mayhem]

Dont undermine me underclassman!!!!! >> For TF2, css, UT3, ect...

[Boba fett]

U play UT3 mayhem???

[Stobbin]

This map will be interesting.  Needs a lot of work, but it'll definitely be fun to play.

[StaFForD]

I play UT3

[Kenyan Bee Thief]

I own UT3.  Sadly, I almost never play it.

[FeatheredFrog58]

I was thinking about buying that game.  Is it worth it?

@Stob: do you still think it needs those walls you were talking about?  Not to block the snipping but to just put something up in that dead spot?

[Mayhem]

I played it at a friends house and I might buy it.

=O Boba/Jango fett pyro skin for TF2!. Why as pyro, well he has the flamethrower. >> too bad I dont know how to make models.

Another idea I gots is pl_deathstar, where you have to get the bomb from the loading bay all they way to the reactor core. and cp_deathstar where you have to make your way to the prison cells. Might work as a cp/ctf kind of map.

[Boba fett]

@mayhem YEA YEA YEA! I WANT A JANGO BOBA SKIN!!!!

[Stobbin]

I'd have to see the changes you've made since the last version, but there was a massive open area in a map that I see as close quarters mayhem.

[FeatheredFrog58]

Cool idea mayham.  Unfortinatily I'm still new at this Hammer thing.  So I wouldn't be able to do it justice.  The hardest thing is to find the right skin to go with the maps.  And since all of the TF2 skins are mixed with the HL2 skins it gets confussing.

@Stob: I typed TF2 in the search skin area and only the TF2 logos came up:(

[Fenriswolf]

i checked it out yesterday it was pritty cool but is the sky suposed to be all weirdish cause that was giving me a headache

[Boba fett]

Lol, yea. And mayhem, i love your idea.

[FeatheredFrog58]

In waht way was the sky wierd?  To me it's just very cloudy.  I'll probibly change it though to bright blue with a few clouds.  What did you think of the caves?

[Stobbin]

Sorry 'bout that Feathered...  the texture Filter is "tf" not "TF2".  This is what happens when I try to give advice without Hammer open.

Also, the link in the updated post is not a link to the file.

[Fenriswolf]

the sky was taking on the color of what ever was being seen so if i looked at the windmill every time i turned the windmill blade was lag draged across the screen... i dont know if that was because of the test server or what, but the rest of the map was pritty cool

[Stobbin]

That's called the "Void".  At least that's what I call it.  Its a completely empty area devoid of geometry.  The game engine has nothing to draw, so it redraws the last thing seen in that area over and over and over and over and over.  This is why you need a sky or ceiling on a map.

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Skybox_%282D%29   <-- click and make.

[FeatheredFrog58]

I did make a sky!  I guess you all are looking at the rough draft before the sky.  My link to the first draft must have failed!  Crap!  Going to fix it right away.

Ok try this link.  It should be the First Draft WITH a sky.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?7hddzewi4xx

Question STob.  I'm trying to add a sun to my map (Second Draft).  I've followed all the directions to it.  But now my sky has blacked out and there isn't enough sun to really show any detail.  Any suggestions?

[Stobbin]

its a canyon...  so change the direction the sun shines. I'm not sure if you have it laid out on the X or Y axis, so figure out which way is right and change the pitch of the light_environment enitity.

[FeatheredFrog58]

Ok I put it (0 90 0) which is down on the Z axis.  Does it mater where you put the intities themselves?  Right now they are directly beneath the sky box in the center.

Also I'm having trouble changeing from the default sky.  I looked up the sky list here.

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Sky_List#team_fortress_2_materials.gcf

and chose sky_tf2_04 as my sky.  I went into the the map and then the map properties and changed the sky box name to "sky_tf2_04".  But when I F9 it the default sky is gone and in it's place is blackness.  Help!!!!

[Dominator]

*Note I moved this to the steam section so non members can see this because there are some that make maps that might be able to help.*

[FeatheredFrog58]

Ok Dom.  thanks.

[Stobbin]

Sounds like you did the map properties thing right.  It could be that the map isn't completely sealed.  Load the pointfile (edit menu?) and see where you've got gaps to the void.  There's areas where you can fall out of the map, so you're definitely got some.  Or just build a giant box around the whole damn thing and hollow it out.

entities like the light_environment and round_timer don't have to be placed in any specific place, but they DO have to be within the geometry of the map.  Any enitites placed outside will completely screw over the engine.

[FeatheredFrog58]

Edit: my question: My map keeps loading an older version of itslef.  

I discoverd the problem was in the renaming of the map.  I solved it.

[Stobbin]

That's a shame.  Check the map for errors (in the edit menu) and fix any leaks you might have (load pointfile).  If the void can reach any entities like the light_environment, the whole map will be one giant error.

[FeatheredFrog58]

I HAVE A SKYYYYY!!!!

thanks stob:) now on to work the lights!  Third draft comming up soon!

[FeatheredFrog58]

Here's the third draft!  You will find it nearly compleat!  
Have at it!

Heres the link.

http://www.mediafire.com/?vw01vpwjget

My check list:

Needs a sun and lights
Needs spawn rooms
Finish caves on red side
needs CPs
needs suggestions from anyone!

[Stobbin]

looking much better.  

one other thing it needs:  Player clipping on the top of the canyon, or demomen (and possibly soldiers) will jump up there and rain down bombs on people.

Its an easy fix:  just put a giant box where you want the max jump height to be, and put the tools/playerclip material on it.  It'll be invisible, and nobody can get past/through it.

[FeatheredFrog58]

Do you like the caves?  Are they too big?

[Kenny]

wow feathered nice job man i really like that map the caves are perfect good job

[FeatheredFrog58]

Thanks Ken.

[FeatheredFrog58]

I'm sick and tired of this map!

Found out that I could have just made half of it, selcted all, shift draged it, then rotated it to match it up:(  I made it the hard way!!!!

[Stobbin]

I swear I mentioned to do that.  That's like two hours you're never getting back.

[FeatheredFrog58]

More like 15!  Imagine all the caves and buildings that I would spend shift draging thier brushes and rotating them one agonizing brush at a time... then going back and forth making sure that every brush measure correctly on both ends!!!!  All I have to say is that you all better like this map  :anger:

I must not have read you right.  I don't know.  I promise that I'm not going to do THAT again.

[FeatheredFrog58]

Draft 3.5

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d241e8b0c0a9021519747bd91027d4dd2d46c27200873b90

Stob don't look at it yet there aren't that many substantial changes.

[FeatheredFrog58]

Well I can't get the CPs to work so I have gotten rid of them for know.  If anyone can help with them I have a few questions that you might be able to answer.  This is the most finished version of Windmill Canyon.  You can download it here.

edit: never mind must solve problem.

Please feel free to tell me your thoughts.

[Stobbin]

can I look at that one?

[FeatheredFrog58]

No but you can look at this one Stobbin;)  

So I fixed it.  Didn't bother to solve the CPs yet.  There will be five of them.  I have representations of them with a platform brush and an orange pillar.  One in blu glass house, one in blu mines, one in windmill, one in red mines, and one in red glass house.  It isn't yet a cp map but is playable for death match... though there is no protection from camping.  Can't seem to get those no smoking brushes working:(  

Still no lights.

the newest of the new b2 version.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d241e8b0c0a90215d2db6fb9a8902bda

Enjoy...

Btw... Stob you will see many many differences this time around.

[Stobbin]

holy jebus.  file is already 32 megabytes.  this must be impressive.

[FeatheredFrog58]

It better with all the work I put in it.   It seems to run slowly.  Could it be because many of the brushes are overlapping into each other?