Experimental unlocks?

[Mama Luigi]

Alot of stuff has been going around that valve is tweaking all the classes that has received an update with new weapons, and some of the testers have revealed some things coming out.

The full topic is here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10780517#post10780517

If your to lazy to read, Ill post them here myself.

Map related: None

Class related:

Heavy: While his only weakness is his speed, valve is giving the heavy a melee that increases his speed. No penalty's at the time.
A minigun that has a lot less spread.
Changes will be added to the sandwich, But the changes are in planning phase.

Medic: Made it more obvious to show if players are using kritzkrieg.
 
Pyro: None

Scout: Sandman now lowers scouts health to 95, but keeps his double jump
FaNs knock back based on damage and acuraccy
Tweaking done to pistol

Sniper: None

Engineer: [Unconfirmed] A wrench that increases build speed but you can't upgrade.

Demoman: Changes to the class self-damage

Soldier: Changes to the class self-damage

Spy: Spy is getting not 1 but 2 suits, 1 reduces flame damage by 90%, But removes the revolver
The second one is also against pyros, but is unconfirmed on what it does.

Thats it for now. Ill probably update it as that thread does.

[StaFForD]

fire proof armor... thats going to be game breaking...

spy checking will be ruined and spys would run rampant

[LiquidSnake]

fireproof suit?? doms probably doing backflips right now.

[Creep Gnome]

fire proof armor... thats going to be game breaking...

spy checking will be ruined and spys would run rampant

Only if you're an idiot pyro that can't understand using his shotgun or axe.
Or any member of your team shoots him, because fireproof=/=damageproof.

[StaFForD]

yeah but fire is a way of marking the spy for others to shoot as well

if you cant set him on fire, then you would have to shoot everyone that walks near you a lot to make sure that they arent a spy

[Shadowmonk3y]

i say do the thing in the "good read involving balance" with the pyro that sounds good to me

oh and teh fire proof thingy would prolly greatly decrease the number or w+m1 pyros across the interwebs

[Dark_Stool]

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maybe he will still ignite, but not take afterburn damage, similar to when the Dead Ringer is activated.

It would suck if they removed his ability to ignite altogether without adding some alternate way of spy-checking.

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[Creep Gnome]

This is called TEAM FORTRESS 2 for a reason. You probably have a mic. There is a voice command for identifying spies. You have text chat to warn your team. Why not use them?

Besides, spychecking is easy enough as it is. Not counting the flamethrowers, there is:
-Walk into them.
-Blutsauger. If you get +3 health, he's a spy.
-Ubersaw. If you gain uber, he's a spy.
-Natascha. If he's slowed, he's a spy.
-Sandman. If he gets Bonk'd, he's a spy.
-Huntsman. It'll one-shot anybody, including spies.
-Anything that does damage. It isn't hard to fire 2-3 shotgun blasts at someone, and that's usually enough to kill or scare off a spy.

[Crit Goes Where?!?]

Don't forget pee

[3xtacy]

The point is, a pyro isn't a pyro if he can't set something on fire.

[Dominator]

*doing back flips*

[Shadowmonk3y]

The point is, a pyro isn't a pyro if he can't set something on fire.

no hes still a pyro, the spy simple improved his suit.

[Protobender]

well you'll still know hes a spy b/c it'll be the same as if u set anotha pyro on fire, flames stay for a sec and then go away
spychecking could still be used and dont forget the penalty to the spy, no revolver
might be better if they make it only fireproof when disguised, maybe maybe

i dislike that they havent put an effort towards the pyro, at least set the damage dropoff back

[Mama Luigi]

The spy will still receive damage from the flames, but he just wont burst into flames.

[3xtacy]

Class-specific nullification tends to be a bad way to deal with class weaknesses.  However, taking the pistol away would make spies (most likely severely) underpowered considering that is just one way spies can be found.  At least it will be a choice.

Also, it takes away a strength from the pyro, further hindering its use as a class.

[Dominator]

*still doing back flips*

[Dark_Stool]

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Maybe just his mask will catch fire.

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[kn3ll_]

toasting some epic bread.

[Kelreth]

fire proof armor... thats going to be game breaking...

spy checking will be ruined and spys would run rampant

agreed

is valve trying to make their game suck?

[Creep Gnome]

I guess people don't read things anymore. Or realize that PYROS ARE NOT THE ONLY SPYCHECKING CLASS IN THE GAME!
Besides, if the Spy really does get a fireproof suit, it'll go into the pile of Razorback-level garbage unlocks that only help against one class out of 9.

[Protobender]

this is true, but i would like to see a return to the original pyro, with the damage dropoff
people may start to actually learn how to use pyro other than w+m1

[StaFForD]

but they are the MAIN spychecking class

when someone asks for someone to spycheck, what do they do? change to pyro and flame the shit out of things

[Mr.MiYuggi]

i best spy check with heavy myself

[Dark_Stool]

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I guess people don't read things anymore. Or realize that PYROS ARE NOT THE ONLY SPYCHECKING CLASS IN THE GAME!

Everyone understands what you wrote, and already knew all of that ahead of time.
The point being that one of the pyro's main functions is the spy-check, and i think it's unfair to take that away without giving him (the pyro) an alternate means of alerting the team and chasing away. Spies tend to panic when on fire, which usually causes them to retreat until they find health or the fire wears off. That adds a good amount of time for engiees to deal with any havok the spy may have caused. And none of the things you listed for spy-checks draws the attention of your team better than a pillar of flames on top of a semi-visible man trying to run away from you.

I would be fine with the spy only taking 25% fire damage when disguised or invisible even without sacrificing the revolver, as long as they still burst into flames.

What would be awesome is if the spy could trade his revolver for a weapon sapper that temporarily sapped whatever weapon the enemy is currently holding.

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[Shadowmonk3y]

i believe that this "pistol-less spy" arguement is really retarded, it simply means that a spy now requires for skill to play. spies now have to aproach a target secretly, stab/sapp (like pro spys do) so the gun was simply just a little extra someting

[kn3ll_]

The spy will still receive damage from the flames, but he just wont burst into flames.

i may have read it wrong, but it just cuts BURNING damage, as in you aren't fireproof, but burning itself is not effective. so the spies would catch fire but not take as much damage from it. Pyro's arent gonna die, they're just gonna have to find a way to gain points besides running around with the flamethrower active. Spies have more time to find water, or healthpacks, or whatever while they're on fire.

on the other hand, HEAVY WEAPONS GUY IS HAPPY FOR SASHA!!! I wouldn't mind a narrower cone and less damage. and moving faster with fists would be great. and i want to be 10% faster with Sasha spinning, too.

[Combat Wombat]

Besides, if the Spy really does get a fireproof suit, it'll go into the pile of Razorback-level garbage unlocks that only help against one class out of 9.

This. The revolver is too good a survival tool for the spy.

[Kelreth]

Besides, if the Spy really does get a fireproof suit, it'll go into the pile of Razorback-level garbage unlocks that only help against one class out of 9.

This. The revolver is too good a survival tool for the spy.

tell that too my friend who doesn't use the pistol almost at all

he'd love a flame retarded suit so that he can go invis and back stab the pyro

[Creep Gnome]

^Your friend must be what most people refer to as a "Failspy".
And what is the pyro doing absolutely alone? What happened to his shotgun? Or axe?

[3xtacy]

^Your friend must be what most people refer to as a "Failspy".
And what is the pyro doing absolutely alone? What happened to his shotgun? Or axe?

HE IS CALLED THE PYRO!!! AHH.

tell that too my friend who doesn't use the pistol almost at all

he'd love a flame retarded suit so that he can go invis and back stab the pyro

Flame retarded.

[Kelreth]

^Your friend must be what most people refer to as a "Failspy".
And what is the pyro doing absolutely alone? What happened to his shotgun? Or axe?

tell that to the TD people who hes stalked for entire matches and killed repeatedly for shits and giggles

tell that too my friend who doesn't use the pistol almost at all

he'd love a flame retarded suit so that he can go invis and back stab the pyro

Flame retarded.

ya i cant spell , the curse of not caring when you type fast

flame retardant

ha there we go

[StaFForD]

i like flame retarded better

[3xtacy]

i like flame retarded better

Me too.

[Shadowmonk3y]

i like flaming homos better

Me too.

[Wudz]

That thread was updated today. Lots of good (and some stupid) stuff to be seen.

[Dominator]

# [confirmed] The spy is apparently getting not one, but two suits. However, it is currently unsure if both suits or just one will make it past the beta.
# [confirmed] The first suit is as heard of before, giving the spy 90% damage reduction from flames and takes the place of his revolver.
# [confirmed] The second suit is also geared against pyros, but its effects and abilities are currently unclear.

*does more back flips*

[Combat Wombat]

Gotta say, I'm not going to use either of those. Don't care what the other one is, even.

[Dominator]

Honestly I probably wont either, I've learned to get around pyros.  Though there still are situations faced when there is nothing you can do.  Also without the revolver you are pretty much best on melee only days, it isn't that powerful but it really does help sometimes.

[Mama Luigi]

Updated and NOTE!

Some of these updates will not go into public gameplay, so they most likely go in CVARs.

[Creep Gnome]

it isn't that powerful

What the hell are you smoking? The revolver kicks LOADS of ass.

[Dominator]

it isn't that powerful

What the hell are you smoking? The revolver kicks LOADS of ass.

Ah no

[Crit Goes Where?!?]

I'm sorry I keep shooting your in the face dom...

Heavy: While his only weakness is his speed, valve is giving the heavy a melee that increases his speed. No penalty's at the time.

Don't care how fast a lumbering heavy goes if he can't finger some bitches.  If they do keep the taunt kill I'm so using this.

Scout: Sandman now lowers scouts health to 95, but keeps his double jump
FaNs knock back based on damage and acuraccy
Tweaking done to pistol

I may actually use Sandman now. All I've ever wanted was double jump and taunt kill...

I'm looking forward to seeing scouts use the Force a Nature properly now.

Only tweaks I can see as plausible are matching reload time with the actual reload animation. More ammo would be nice though.

[DickTater]

90% less damage from fire doesnt mean the spy doesnt catch on fire... it just means he wont take as much damage... sooo he'll still be marked for death.. but i still wana keep my ambassador so i can headshot stupid ass snipers with the razorback }

[Creep Gnome]

I've found that if you crouch in front of a razorback sniper and start knifing him from the front, he usually won't notice until it's too late.

[Combat Wombat]

I've found that if you crouch in front of a razorback sniper and start knifing him from the front, he usually won't notice until it's too late.

Best. Idea. Ever.

[Benny Burnsalot]

Spy: Spy is getting not 1 but 2 suits, 1 reduces flame damage by 90%, But removes the revolver
The second one is also against pyros, but is unconfirmed on what it does.

Oh? whats that mister spy? MEET MR. AXTINGUISHER!!!

[The Fallen Messiah]

i do wonder what this 2nd suit does. i needs my revolver how else am i gonna snipe snipers and when they do get a shot on me i dead ring behind them and backs stab the entire defense? i wish i could beta test that stuff i want to know what it looks like more than anything.

[Protobender]

the new update yesterday just made it so the pyro may be the only spychecking class for the effects from hitting a spy (blutsauger +3 health) no longer happens
just sayin and u could just sweep a fast firing weapon and look for a disturbance

[The Fallen Messiah]

the new update yesterday just made it so the pyro may be the only spychecking class for the effects from hitting a spy (blutsauger +3 health) no longer happens
just sayin and u could just sweep a fast firing weapon and look for a disturbance

actually you still gain the 3 life its just not visibly displayed. i tested this earlier today, it wasnt saying +3 but my life was going up per hit. really the update has made ppl have to be aware they still are doing damage to said spy. im just annoyed that they nerfed the deadringer i can understand 6 secs but 4 secs kinda hurts ya know, but ill adapt, its what i do. XD

[Creep Gnome]

^It's Valve's not-so-subtle way of telling you that you shouldn't use the DR. Ever.

[MoneyShot]

DR makes the spy insanely fun. also i find that i dont usually die by pyro, but those MOTHERFUCKIN afterburn always gets that assist.