|voodoo| vs {JSK} Clan Match

[A'mYthIiSsS]

I'm going to be serious in this post because I feel enough is enough. I have returned to a sad senario after my surgery. Sin has rechallenged |voodoo| to a clan match and I am going to do something that I know very few expect me to to do. You've all heard I never back down from a challenge. I have played clan matches for a challenge, for a test of skill, for fun, for competition, and improvement. This challenge that has been placed infront of me retains none of these qualities. This situation has gone far beyond a situation between |voodoo| and {JSK}, it now includes all of PH.

Sin has made it clear to me that his reason for challenging |voodoo| at this point in history is to use this clan match as leverage determining where {JSK} stands in PH. Due to the fact {JSK} has never beat |voodoo| in a clan match I do not think this is a valid reason to have a clan match. This one match CAN NOT determin where {JSK} stands for a number of reasons. One being that |voodoo| barely plays anymore, I am the only active member in the clan at this point. Another is |voodoo| is not the only clan in PH. Also, one match can not determin two years of skill. Considering I'm the only active member and I am the leader I am willing to represent my clan alone like a true leader should.

Sin and I came to the conclution we would make it a 1 on 1 clan match but the conditions he has provided are not honorable on any level. You want to have someone who has been in {JSK} for less than a month to represent a two year old clan. You are the founder, you are the leader, you are the one who makes the choices for the clan therefor you represent it. If you are not going to represent your clan you truely do not deserve to be it's leader. You are the role model for your clan, you need to show your members that winning and losing do not matter. I don't see you doing this Sin. I see you hiding behind members who are equal in skill to your own or even greater.

You are most likely saying at this point that I am just scared and that I don't want to lose. You say I'm a sore loser and can't accept someone is better than me. I am going to tell everyone something about myself right now.

I talk a lot of shit and I know I do. I back up every word I have ever thrown out there. I have lost, I have learned, I have won, and I have respected.

Dominator: I met you when TD was young and trained you to the best of my abilities before I left AvP for serveral months. I returned and accepted you were truely the master and surpassed my own skills as a player. I learned from you and managed to get my skill back and then some because of it. If I hadn't accepted your accomplishment and ignored it I would have denied you the rightful respect you deserved for busting your ass to be as skilled as you are. Always will I stand by your side as a player, as a master, as a student, as a friend.

SoulReaver: Never have I questioned your skill. You are one of the most skilled players I have ever met. My hat was off from day one when I met you. I have been honored to play against you, with you and you will forever be my right hand man. You have owned me and I have returned the fav. Never will I consider you below my own skill.

Dark Seraphem: The moment I saw you I knew you had potential. You had the attitude of a true player, and a true friend. I trained you with the help of Dom and I am very proud of your abilities at this point. I may be hard on you, and not complement you but you can take me down pulse vs pulse any day. You have beat me in a 1 on 1 sniper vs sniper and I am proud of you for it. You have come a long way and you deserve me saying this now.

Kulaman: You were my first real challenge in AvP. Before I met you I didn't know what it ment to sweat in a 1 on 1. You showed me that winning isn't everything, its about the game and how you play. I enjoyed every one of our 1 on 1s and know you can take me pulse vs pulse anyday. You have beat me in many games and when you want you can give me hard time sniper vs sniper.

Death: We have had our ups and downs but it has always come full circle to us being friends. You are a talented player and a good friend. I know if we were to have a 1 on 1 it would be close. You give me trouble when you want and I know you have abilities that surpass my own such as your reflex shot.

Halo: People may not tell you but I will. You are one hell of a player when it comes to your ping is always 800+. I don't doubt on a good connection you would rip up frags like no tomarrow. I may not have always been nice to you, but I respect you and your abilities as a player.

Raz-K: One of the first people to acknowledge my abilities and I thank you for that. I thank you for your concern with my condition after my accedent and am happy to have played against you on many a games. Although we may not be best of friends or friends at all I can't say that I deny you of the respect you deserve.

F8 / TH: I must thank you for what you have given. I faced you for months getting owned and my ass handed to me. I learned from it, I learned how you play, and how to counter your own abilities. I thank you for descovering aimbot for without it I could have never been able to face it. Facing aimbot has improved my skill beyond comprehension. So I thank you for it. You may think I use it along with many others but thats your own opinion. You have pushed your friends away because you wont acknowledge their skill and lable them as aimbot...it saddens me.

I have lost to people, I know that I have but one loss does that equivilant years of beating someone? No, I am sorry but one game does not determin who is better. One day does not determin who is better. If you feel winning this clan match will bring {JSK} to "greatness" you are horribly mistaken. This one clan match if you win will determin {JSK} has improved. I know if I win I will hear the same thing I heard the last match and you will want to continue this childish power trip of yours.

Sinista you have abilities that you have not begun to touch. Your desire to go about the quick and easy way of improvement by using members of {JSK} to talk for you, are childish. If a member of {JSK} wins you take credit for it because you are the leader of {JSK}. If you would throw this game of you being better than me aside, accept the facts and just play I would have no desire to talk shit to you. I would help you improve your abilities and help {JSK} improve as a clan as I did with TD. The results of my training shine in Dominator and he learned past what I had to offer. I am the leader of the oldest clan in the AVP series history. We may not play like we use to but we are still friends and that is a bond you can not break. If only you would stop and just accept the help people have to offer you would improve far more than you think you have.

So I end my post with the statement that I DECLINE from this clan match. I decline because I will not put |voodoo| into a clan match that has the only purpose of a power trip and the leader wont even represent the clan he founded. Stating that this match determins if {JSK} is the best in PH is insulting to myself and everyone else. You are disrespecting the skills and abilities of every clan and individual by basing eveyone's skills off of |voodoo|'s and that is WRONG. You want {JSK} to come into light? Do it with your own hands Sinista like everyone else has.


Sincerely
-Amy

[-{FHoTA}-Death]

well done.
I agree the power trip is childish.
But as far as the representation issue goes, here is my thoughts.
members can represent to play members, and if there is a leader, then a leader should be involved in the battle.
However, the fight between amy and sin started because of Sin's dislike for how you acted in your time of boasting. His hate for the boasting evolved into a hate for amy, and this resulted in his view as of now.

You accept my training, and you consistantly refuse her truce? We're all friends, and your developed now pointless hate has distanced you from those who had your back. Not only are we friends, we're allies. your little coup de'?tat over ph isn't going to happen through quenching your hate for amy, should you ever be able to. This doesn't end with voodoo, you fuck with allies, you fuck with all of us.

Our society, and society doesnt codone your behavior, even over a game. Amy's behavior has wrong, and you disliking her behavior is just. Taking it out on a clanbattle is wrong. Her stopping her boasting is just, your hate for her is not. Your will to take it out over a clanbattle is wrong. From what I hear, you putting someone else in the ring to prove a point we dropped, to beat a dead horse, is wrong. Her denying your clanmatch is just.

It pains me to say it Sin, but this is your last chance to come around.
If you don't consider what has been said, and drop the nonsense, then it's too late anyway.  Just do the right thing.

[Echo]

A sound reason to decline from my point of view. You quit playing anyway.

[StaFForD]

honestyl i don't understand why this came up, its a game ment for fun, not to get all into it about whose better and all, none of that is of much importance, Though on alot of the points you mentioned I do understand and agree with you on, but it still goes back to the fact that its a game between friends and there is utterly no point for "hey lets argue cause we got something to prove" The proof I believe is on how we treat each other and not how much more we can kill the other person in this game

Just my 2 cents

[Soul Reaver]

AVP2 PH has devolved into nothing more than an E-Peen measuring contest. Clans are a joke on AVP2 anymore, no offense to |voodoo| or {TD} or anyone, but lets face it. In PH, there are us, and there are newbs unfortunate enough to stumble in on a good concept rotted with lack of participation and hacking. The paranoia in this game has gotten to the point where there is no more skill, if you hold any decent skill you are a hack. Endgame. Anymore also, there are hardly any players out there that hold any kind of true skill that do not have hacks within their posession, or know how to hack. Its all really sad anymore and quite frankly, I dont see a reason to ever make an appearance again. But time will tell.

[Raz-K]

hmm strong points were made.. iether way it aint my business. ....props to soul

[Sinista]

meh. first of all death i dont hate anyone. me an amy might have heated debates now an then but wen it comes down to it we talk like civilised people most of the time. all the he/said she said is nonsences to me. second a leader wants to win a leader of a war doesnt go on the front line a fight a battle he has his soldiers do it. second if its a one on one the team wants to win so of course the leader is gonna send his best fighter like in greece they sent achilles. so then why would i lose respect for sending my best soldier into battle. an i told amy im not afraid to face her ill go 1 on 1 with her anytime but this is a grudge match its not between me an her. this is for my clan. an for her to decline is deprives us of wat we were training so hard to acheive. an thats why i wanted a rematch btween her an soul an me an carnage but she refused.  an if u dont wanna be allies with us anymore death thats ur decision i know who my true friends in the game are. ones that dont jump from side to side wen it suits them. anyway i was gonna tell amy that i would face her in the clan battle but after hearing that long winded decline i changed my mind . f***it i dont care anymore i know we improved an we dont need anyones acceptance. oh an i never said we were the best clan u said*ill step aside an let u rule over ph* exact words. so i said we are takin over anyway. an if any clan wants to battle us bringit on we will battle anyone. my soldiers or itchin for a battle an if voodoo wont battle we are takin any other callers. wehter they are allies an want a match or people who dispise us an want a match name the time an the place an we can get it on . an one more thing ive learned alot from all of u wehter u know it or not. just becuz i dont take wat u say doesnt mean i havnt learned from playin against u. an the one an only teacher i will acknoledge bcuz me an him used to go one on one four hours till the wee hours in the morning. is non other then the one an only 9tails he is my teacher i have learned almost all my skillz from playin against him one on one for all those hours of getting owned an he is the one person to this day who acknoledges my skill so i could care less wat anyone else thinks much respect to 9tails my brutha my teacher my friend.

[Sinista]

oh one more thing i take bits an peices of wat u show me death an use wat i think i can use . ur not this almighty teacher as u might think. yeah u got alot of skill but so do alot of the people on the game. so just remeber that. i was a good player wen u were just decent. an i was gone for a year ana half so my skillz dwindled but i am a far better player then i was then an i did it on my own from practice. all of u so called teachers say how much people could learn from u but sum people such as i wanna do it on there own. an dont want help. ill take advice but im my own man an dont want or need a teacher. an as for ego we all have an ego. sum may hide or munipulate it so its not as obvious but others such as me an amy for instance say it straight out an im not afraid to say it. thats all

[Dark Seraphim]

Meh. First of all death, I don't hate anyone. Amy and I might have heated debates now and then, but when it comes down to it, we talk like civilized people.  All the he said, she said is nonsense to me.  Secondly, a leader wants to win.  A leader doesn't go on the front lines of a fight or battle.  He has his soldiers to do it.  Thirdly, if it's a one on one the team wants to win, so of course the leader is going to send his best fighter.  Like in Greece, they sent Achilles.  So then why would I lose respect for sending my best soldier into battle.  I told amy I'm not afraid to face her, I'll go 1 on 1 with her anytime, but this is a grudge match. It's not between her and I.  This is for my clan, and for her to decline deprives us of what we were training so hard to acheive.  That's why I wanted a rematch between Amy, Soul, Carnage, and I, but she refused.  If you don't want to be allies with us anymore Death, that is your decision.  I know who my true friends in this game are.  Ones that don't jump from side to side when it suits them.  Anyway, I was going to tell Amy that I would face her in another clan battle, but after hearing this long winded decline, I changed my mind.  Fuck it, I don't care anymore. I know we have improved, and we don't need anyone's acceptance.  I never said we were the best clan.  You said, "I'll step aside and let you rule over PH."  I said we are taking over anyway.  If any clan wants to battle us, bring it on.  We will battle anyone.  My soldiers are itching for a battle, and if voodoo won't, we are taking any other comers.  Whether they are allies and want a match, or people who despise us and want a match, name the time and the place.  One more thing, I've learned a lot from all of you, whether you know it or not.  Simply because I don't take what you say doesn't mean that I haven't learned from playing against you.  The one teacher I will acknowledge is none other then the one and only 9tails.  He is my teacher, I have learned almost all my skills from playing against him 1 on 1 for all of those hours.  He is the one person to this day who acknowledges my skill.  I could care less what anyone else thinks.  Much respect to 9tails my brutha, my teacher, my friend.

I just couldn't leave it as it was.  It was killing me slowly inside.

[Dark Seraphim]

I take bits and pieces of what you show me Death and use what I think  can use.  you're not this almighty teacher you think you are.  Yes you have skill, but so do many people in the game, so just remeber that.  I was a good player when you were just decent.  I was gone for a year and a half, so my skills dwindled, but I am a far better player than I was then.  I did it on my own from practice.  All of you so called teachers say how much people could learn from you, but some people such as myself want do it on their own, and don't want help.  I'll take advice, but I'm my own man, and don't want or need a teacher.  As for ego, we all have an ego.  Some may hide or manipulate it so it is not as obvious, but others such as Amy or myself for instance say it straight out.  That's all

Had to fix the other too.

[A'mYthIiSsS]

Just for a little lesson of History 101:

Alexander The Great and Hannibal both lead their armies into battle. They are consdered in History to be two of the greatest generals and leaders to walk this planet. They were real people, Achilles is a part of Greek methology. They didn't sit behind their soldiers and watch. Just a bit of historical correcting I figured I would add.

I have acknowledged your skill. I have told you that you have performed well. I have said gg to you but that doesn't seem to be enough. I have told you in my post that you have abilities you haven't even touched past what you already know.

Who honestly looks at their clan as soldiers? Clans are suppose to be made out of dedication to eachother, compassion, respect, and friendship. You don't even know some of the members in your clan past a name. What does this game mean to you if you are losing people who don't want to be a part of your "empire" but rather stand beside you ally-to-ally. What is playing this game to you if leading an "empire" and disregarding others is all there is to it.

We want your respect and we want to give you respect but you deny us the ability to respect you. So how are we suppose to look at you? How do you want us to look at you? What is it you want Sinista if not this power trip of what you consider "leadership" over players. Is standing side by side other clans something unheard of? {TD}, |voodoo|, {FHoTA}, *BaK*, DTH have stood next to each other for years. Why can't you stand with us? What is it that we are missing that makes you disregaurd us? I want peace, I want friendship I grow tired of this pointless drama. If only you could just stand next to us rather than consider us below you or above you. My boasting, my cocky attitude have always been something everyone has known about. I have stopped, I have been playing too long to care about who is better than who.

[-{FHoTA}-Death]

Anyone better than you is a teacher Sin, and immediatly as I state that I set time aside specifically for teaching you, you have gotten defencive. Is this an inferiority problem?

" ur not this almighty teacher as u might think. yeah u got alot of skill but so do alot of the people on the game. so just remeber that."

"death is absolutely right only reason i would want to battle voodoo is with u playin becus i want to shut u up . ur arrogence an cockyness is sickening an ur unworthy of the glory an self rightous legendary status u see urself deserving."
 Sound farmiliar?
 Difference is i did no boasting, but the reaction is the same.

"and i told amy im not afraid to face her ill go 1 on 1 with her anytime but this is a grudge match its not between me an her. this is for my clan."

Yet

"actualy no i would have only wanted another clan match if u would have been playin theres no reason to battle if ur not playin at least from my standpoint"

Does'nt sound like it.

 Sounds like if anything is for the clan, it's being recognized as being considered as skilled, or close to our skill level. Beating voodoo or any of us you feel you gain jsk this nobility. However beating us in during our time of leaving will not prove anything. See people who are skilled have hit their max, and maintaining that longer than we have is pointless, thus we don't need to prove anything to eachother and we all feel this way. If you want to considered as skilled as us then beating us isnt the right way. Us with superior skill know what it takes to obtain that level, and will see and acknolege it when that time comes. At the moment we see and acknowlege the skill level you and your clan is currently at, and know that you have work that needs to be done.

My training had nothing to do with being almighty, it had everything to do with helping you and your clan achieve the level of skill you desire. When Amy is not acting almighty as well and you still have your issue with Amy/Voodoo. You cannot say this is not the case when there are other clans just as, more or less, skilled available, but you challenge them, over and over.

Your decision to have this problem is what I disagree with, and that is why I don't have your back in this fight.
For the record, for example Raz and I are not allies, FHoTA and DTH, but we are friends. If you see friends as allies, then that is your problem. I would have his back anyday if it was just. I would have your back just the same. But this is not just, this is wrong. If you don't want to be allies or friends, then it is Your decision.

Come to your senses and think long and hard about yourself and everyone through empathy. We'll be waiting.



PS- lol hopefully Dom, 9, or th, or anyone who ive ever talked to on ventrilo, will vouge for me when I say, I dono how to hack or have any lol. Just by how clueless I sound on the subject!

[-{FHoTA}-Death]

its not a matter of he said she said. Your doing all the talking and u just don't get it.

[DickTater]

personally... too much, how should i put it... drama...

the game isnt about who is better than who... although it can get that way... the game is about playing and having fun... NOT about glory...

personally... if you think yer good... kudos... if you have such low self-esteem that MUST seek to show others that you are better than them you should just shut the fuck up and leave... if you just want to sit there and bitch and complain and try to tear down others or spend your whole game life trying to be someones better... YOU DONT DESERVE TO PLAY WITH US

ive kept silent about this whole jsk voodoo thing... time for my silence to end... its a load of bullshit... thats right... BULLSHIT... if jsk thinks they must prove themselves to voodoo then they need to grow a backbone and a pair of balls... and voodoo... yer puttin yerselves between a rock and a hard place... you show now respect unless you totally get your asses handed to you... and even then you blame it on cheating and poor gameplay... so they can go fuck themselves for all i care IT DOESNT MATTER, ITS A GAME!!...

i agree with soul reaver... clans are jokes in PH... only because its members are shit

[A'mYthIiSsS]

personally... too much, how should i put it... drama...

the game isnt about who is better than who... although it can get that way... the game is about playing and having fun... NOT about glory...

personally... if you think yer good... kudos... if you have such low self-esteem that MUST seek to show others that you are better than them you should just shut the fuck up and leave... if you just want to sit there and bitch and complain and try to tear down others or spend your whole game life trying to be someones better... YOU DONT DESERVE TO PLAY WITH US

ive kept silent about this whole jsk voodoo thing... time for my silence to end... its a load of bullshit... thats right... BULLSHIT... if jsk thinks they must prove themselves to voodoo then they need to grow a backbone and a pair of balls... and voodoo... yer puttin yerselves between a rock and a hard place... you show now respect unless you totally get your asses handed to you... and even then you blame it on cheating and poor gameplay... so they can go fuck themselves for all i care IT DOESNT MATTER, ITS A GAME!!...

i agree with soul reaver... clans are jokes in PH... only because its members are shit

Excuse me, but I don't say ANYONE who has beat me cheated to beat me and nor has anyone in voodoo.  As for showing respect I have given respect to MANY people for owning me or just being a good player or person. I didn't want this to turn into a bitch fest but this comment of yours is bull shit regarding voodoo. I have high standards and everyone knows it takes a lot to impress me, but none the less I acknowledge when someone is a good player.  

Maybe you were better off keeping your mouth shut because it seems everytime you talk in game or forum all you have to say is insults and pointless remarks that just come from you wanting to be a smartass. I don't want to look like the bad one in this and I am TRYING to end this bs drama that annoys everyone who still plays or jumps on for a few min to enjoy a game.  

As far as clans being jokes in PH. yeah they are, thats why voodoo barely plays with their tags anymore. We have no reason to, we just want to have fun. Regardless the real clans are friends who enjoy a good game and having fun. Not who frags the highest, not who talks the most shit, no it's not about that and it took a car accedent for me to realize. Improving your abilities is not a crime, it is not a pointless goal in a game. You make it sound like its a bad thing to want to improve. So I say, keep your mouth shut unless you have something productive to say Dictator on this subject because in all the time I have known you I have never seen you show respect to people.

[DickTater]

point taken
post wasnt pointed directly towards voodoo... if you felt that way.. sorry... although some was
as for the "nor has anyone in voodoo" part... you cannot make that claim because you are not present with every member at every second of every day they play...
as for the remark about me trying to be a smartass... if i was trying then i would have succeeded
and... i dont point at voodoo to make them out to be the bad ones in this... im saying everyone is to blame for their own mistakes.. accept them or not is totally up to you guys
and i agree with most of the last paragraph there...
and i was not pointing fingers at YOU... so dont take it personally...
i HAVE been called a cheater, a hacker, a noob, and stupid shit like that by voodoo members... you might be one way... but that doesnt mean your clan as a whole is the same way...
>>EDIT<<
i still say this JSK |voodoo| thing is retarded and has only to do with personal pride, arrogance, and self-esteem issues

[A'mYthIiSsS]

point taken
post wasnt pointed directly towards voodoo... if you felt that way.. sorry... although some was
as for the "nor has anyone in voodoo" part... you cannot make that claim because you are not present with every member at every second of every day they play...
as for the remark about me trying to be a smartass... if i was trying then i would have succeeded
and... i dont point at voodoo to make them out to be the bad ones in this... im saying everyone is to blame for their own mistakes.. accept them or not is totally up to you guys
and i agree with most of the last paragraph there...
and i was not pointing fingers at YOU... so dont take it personally...
i HAVE been called a cheater, a hacker, a noob, and stupid shit like that by voodoo members... you might be one way... but that doesnt mean your clan as a whole is the same way...
>>EDIT<<
i still say this JSK |voodoo| thing is retarded and has only to do with personal pride, arrogance, and self-esteem issues

I'm sorry that people in voodoo have said that about you and I will take responsibility for their actions. Yes, this JSK |voodoo| thing is retarded and I want it to end, but not like it always has. It always ends the same way, and then shit gets stirred up again. So this time it needs to truely end, enough childish bs drama.

[-{FHoTA}-Death]

yeah. rediculus.
But I felt that clans arent pointless, because they were made with all the best intentions, and it is the competative arrogent competetiveness that ruins good fun.

" Regardless the real clans are friends who enjoy a good game and having fun"

this is the only exception
if losing isnt fun then don't play, cause u can't win'em all.

[Echo]

Lets leave it at that eh? Ras someone, anyone, wanna lock before it goes on again?

[A'mYthIiSsS]

Okay, nothing has gotten out of hand in this thread. If things do, I will lock it. But as far as I see it and what has taken place more productive talk has been said than unproductive. Things have been cleared up and put in the open in a non-hostile manner. There is no reason to lock this thread at this point. The other threads were simply people fuming and talking shit. This is not talking shit and ground is being covered. I see more talk about friendship in this thread than anything else and the desire to be friends. Maybe we should stop cutting this short and let this be settled civilized. If we keep cutting things short this will never end. I want to know what Sin wants from us. I want to know if a friendship can be made and I know other people do too. I want a truce, peace, or something to happen BESIDES "okay lets lock the thread because people are saying things in a responsible manner and it happens to be directed towards someone's misbehavior and disrespect to friends."  

[-{FHoTA}-Death]

"and it is the competative arrogent competetiveness that ruins good fun."
when people cause problems -aka- TH, then they are disconnected from the community that does not want them around. We all tried to turn this guy around and he wouldnt. S, as I said, is having his last chance because 2 many threads have come from this arguement.

Clans don't cause problems, people do. And only specific people are the problem, but we all know S and have liked him, which is why hes getting his chance, but this is his last.
No more comments, opinions, points, arguements, insults, Bullshit
untill Sin's last response/resolution.

This is all about him, and he is the only one that should have the last word.

[A'mYthIiSsS]

I agree.

[Sinista]

ok so here goes. first me an death had along talk on teamspeak about most of this subject an cleared up a bunch of misconstrued asumptions. so me an death are straight. second as for amy an voodoo ok so we always end up fighting. but first its not becuz i hate u or dislike u. its becuz we are both stubborn an headstrong . an thats one of the things i respect about u . ur not afraid to say wat u feel neither am i. thats why we always argue. but i feel arguing once ina while is healthy in any friendship if u wanna call it . second yes this subject has gone on over 2 years an yes it has caused tension but i still dont hate anyone in anyclan. i may be an asshole sumtimes but thats just me. u dont have to like it . but im only human. anyway i accept ur request for a truce. although i really would have liked to have that clan battle. not to prove anything but u  were the only one who actualy said hey theres no clan battles goin on so why not an thats one of the main reasons i wanted a rematch. all these people bitchin bout hackers this an that but everyone forgot how much fun clan battles are wats the point of bein ina clan if u have no one to battle for braggin rights or wat have u.  its all part of sportsmanship. there used to always be clan battles before i left an now that i see sum of the old clans commin back an even sum of the new ones. yeah maybe there a lil noobish maybe there a lil headstrong but we were all like that once. an id love to battle any clan that wants to battle thats why i made that challange to all the clans not to disrespect anyone or to say were the best but to bring back the positive competitive spirit eveyone on this game used to have. all my clan members my friends my soldiers ask me wen we gonna have a clan battle like the old days . so thats wat im tryin to do it if u guys cant understand that then i dont know wat else to say. oh an one more thing. this may be off topic but recently swift knife from tw asked to join my clan. i told him he was in tw an i dont accept duel clans. so he left tw an kept beegin to join . so i asked him. why do u want to join jsk so bad. he said cuz u guys are so good an i think i can get alot better with u guys. <<

[A'mYthIiSsS]

ok so here goes. first me an death had along talk on teamspeak about most of this subject an cleared up a bunch of misconstrued asumptions. so me an death are straight. second as for amy an voodoo ok so we always end up fighting. but first its not becuz i hate u or dislike u. its becuz we are both stubborn an headstrong . an thats one of the things i respect about u . ur not afraid to say wat u feel neither am i. thats why we always argue. but i feel arguing once ina while is healthy in any friendship if u wanna call it . second yes this subject has gone on over 2 years an yes it has caused tension but i still dont hate anyone in anyclan. i may be an asshole sumtimes but thats just me. u dont have to like it . but im only human. anyway i accept ur request for a truce. although i really would have liked to have that clan battle. not to prove anything but u  were the only one who actualy said hey theres no clan battles goin on so why not an thats one of the main reasons i wanted a rematch. all these people bitchin bout hackers this an that but everyone forgot how much fun clan battles are wats the point of bein ina clan if u have no one to battle for braggin rights or wat have u.  its all part of sportsmanship. there used to always be clan battles before i left an now that i see sum of the old clans commin back an even sum of the new ones. yeah maybe there a lil noobish maybe there a lil headstrong but we were all like that once. an id love to battle any clan that wants to battle thats why i made that challange to all the clans not to disrespect anyone or to say were the best but to bring back the positive competitive spirit eveyone on this game used to have. all my clan members my friends my soldiers ask me wen we gonna have a clan battle like the old days . so thats wat im tryin to do it if u guys cant understand that then i dont know wat else to say. oh an one more thing. this may be off topic but recently swift knife from tw asked to join my clan. i told him he was in tw an i dont accept duel clans. so he left tw an kept beegin to join . so i asked him. why do u want to join jsk so bad. he said cuz u guys are so good an i think i can get alot better with u guys. <<


What do I say to this? Honestly I don't know. Should I be pist or happy? I mean, you didn't answer the question we have been asking, "what do you want from us and how do you want us to view you." you simply restated your first post politely. You added you accept the truce...but you have before so only time can tell.

Me being headstrong and stubborn has nothing to do with me not being afraid to come out and say exactly what is on my mind. That is called being blunt and upfront.

I can't say I am headstrong and stubborn 24/7 because I am always willing to take into consideration other people's opinions rather than say "No, I'm the only one right and everyone else is wrong." People have changed my mind on many topics. I'm sure I have been at points, not going to deny that.  Really though...respecting two qualities that lead to disrespecting others arn't reasons to respect someone. Thats why I tried to avoid being like that at times.

Personaly, I don't think people should be in a clan because they think you are good and want to improve. All you have to do is play with the people to improve and listen to what they have to say. Now of course that is my opinion because of how I have run voodoo. Anyone who has asked if they could join voodoo has been denied, it was always wanting to wear the tag because of the clan reputation / skill. Clans are all about friendship but thats just my two cents on what a clan is all about.  

Really though, I agree argueing is healthy in friendships but not like what has been going on for the past two years. Friend's shouldn't argue who is better at something they should simply not care. I haven't considered you my friend honestly but I have tried to be yours and I would like to be yours.

This seriously has been about you being and asshole to people. Thats the big issue and we DON'T like it and want it to stop. Thats why this thread was made, so shrugging one's shoulders saying hey "I'm gunna be an asshole and you have to accept that because I'm human." is well...bull shit. It's a flaw, just like being headstrong and stubburn. I have been a bitch, and I'm changing that because people didn't like it on the forums.

All throughout your post you didn't show a sign of regret for what you have said and done. I deeply regret how I have acted in the past on this forum. I was wrong and I admit to that. Clan battles for bragging rights? Thats not what they are about, they are about fun and improving. Honestly, bragging after winning a clan match is annoying and disrespectful. Learning from eachother and teamwork. Friendship is what leads to teamwork, thats why it's so important in a clan and clan battles.

You don't need to explain yourself, you need to change yourself. You need to stop being an asshole to people and disrespecting others, most of all on this forum. Maybe I am asking too much here, but you haven't said sorry...and thats really what I think everyone wants to see.

[Sinista]

i dont want anything from u. u all can veiw me how u like. im not gonna change who i am for anyone. an if u dont like my views on things or dissagree thats ur right an i have said wat i said at times out of anger. i admit but wat am i suppose to appologize for im not the only one at fault. if u people really feel that strongly about it i wont post here no more. an thats just not for u amy if anyone else here feels the way u do then say so an i will not post here anymore. but i am not gonna appologize for speaking my mind. an like i said i know clans about friendship ask anyone in my clan if we are friends they'll all tell u yes an as for teamwork we have been workin that out to an we work as a unit . an simply put people have to earn respect im not just gonna say i respect sumone so other people will veiw me a certain way.if people dont like me ill stick with the people that do thats all .oh an i have never directly disrespected anyone accept maybe u amy but u have done the same so wen i get an appolgy u will . an i never really considered us friends either. more like aquaintences that sumtimes got along. but i doubt that u an i will ever be able to be friends i can most definatly be civil with u an talk like human beins but thats about it. well actualy seems like the majority of people that have spoken on this thread look at me like the bad guy so i will leave on my own hope to see u all around on the servers peace.

[A'mYthIiSsS]

I have said sorry to everyone on this forum for what I have done and that includes you.

I tried, Death tried and I know people were hoping this would end on better terms without someone leaving but it's his choice. I'm locking this thread and lets look at it as an example of how important it is to respect people. Lets take into consideration speaking your mind can hurt people and sometimes its better to not say something that will disrespect others. I say this for everyone including myself.

[Raz-K]

hmmmm well played sin keep ur pride FUCK THE WORLD!!!!